Y-SNP calls from Ice Age Europe

In the table below are links to Y-SNP calls for samples from Ice Age Europe.

Y haplogroups for more Ice Age European samples can be found in the table here. These results show that many of my beliefs about European genetic history were wrong. I thought that the Aurignacians belonged to Y haplogroup I, but the one Aurignacian sample was C1a2. I thought that the Gravettians belonged to R1, but four Gravettian samples were C1, I, IJ*, and C1a2. I thought that the Magdalenians were R1b, but two Magdalenian samples were I. These results also imply that my beliefs about Indo-European origins were wrong. I apologize for attacking others over their positions on these subjects.

Goyet Q116-1     Belgium  Aurignacian     C1a2-Z38842(xV86)  calls
Paglicci 133     Italy    Gravettian      C1-Z3998(xC1b)     calls
Kostenki 12      Russia   Unassigned      C1?                calls
Krems WA3        Austria  Gravettian      I                  calls
Vestonice 13     Czechia  Gravettian      C1(xC1b)           calls
Vestonice 43     Czechia  Gravettian      IJ*                calls
Vestonice 16     Czechia  Gravettian      C1a2-V86           calls
Hohle Fels 49    Germany  Magdalenian     I                  calls
Goyet Q-2        Belgium  Magdalenian     I?                 calls
Burkhardtshöhle  Germany  Magdalenian     I                  calls
Villabruna       Italy    Epigravettian   R1b1a-L754         calls
Rochedane        France   Epipaleolithic  pre-I2a1a2-S21825  calls
Falkenstein      Germany  Mesolithic      I2a2a1-CTS616      calls
Chaudardes 1     France   Mesolithic      I2                 calls
Berry-au-Bac     France   Mesolithic      I2a1b-M423         calls
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10 comments on “Y-SNP calls from Ice Age Europe
  1. norah4you says:

    Reblogged this on Norah4you's Weblog and commented:
    Take a look at the full table you will find when you press “calls”
    This is interesting and worth thinking more than twice. Things might not have gone as some have thought. Some = Historians, Geologists and Archaeologists.

  2. Anom says:

    So, you were right all along about R1b in Europe?

    Autosomal admixture and phenotype SNPs please!

    • Genetiker says:

      So, you were right all along about R1b in Europe?

      No, I wasn’t. See the comments I added above.

      Autosomal admixture and phenotype SNPs please!

      I will.

      • Anom says:

        Regardless, Villabruna was Epigravettian and was R1b1a. Even if modern European R1b came from the steppe, who’s to say steppe R1b didn’t come from the Epigravettian culture, given Samara HG was a mix of WHG and ANE? Perhaps you didn’t get the exact specifics, but R1b1a is still there, in Western Europe, thousands of years before any Indo-European migrations. From the paper it seems Villabruna was a pure WHG and clusters with Loshbour/La Brana/etc, who didn’t have any exotic autosomal ancestry.

  3. Olympus Mons says:

    hey. you are not going to comisurate are you?.
    Everybody is up to a point wrong when it comes to these Dna infering from an hand full of examples to extrapolate over several hundred thousand scatter over thousand of miles.
    So,,, get back on the saddle and move on.

    • Genetiker says:

      you are not going to comisurate are you?

      Not at all. It always feels good to correct errors in one’s thinking and move closer to the truth.

  4. DYS439ii says:

    Keep up the work, you have your admirers. !

  5. Genetiker says:

    Regardless, Villabruna was Epigravettian and was R1b1a. Even if modern European R1b came from the steppe, who’s to say steppe R1b didn’t come from the Epigravettian culture, given Samara HG was a mix of WHG and ANE? Perhaps you didn’t get the exact specifics, but R1b1a is still there, in Western Europe, thousands of years before any Indo-European migrations. From the paper it seems Villabruna was a pure WHG and clusters with Loshbour/La Brana/etc, who didn’t have any exotic autosomal ancestry.

    All true.

  6. Capra Internetensis says:

    Thanks for these, and well said.

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